Forecast Discussions mentioning any of "HRRR" "RAP" "RUC13" "RUC" "RR" received at GSD on 10/16/23


Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service La Crosse WI
1041 PM CDT Sun Oct 15 2023 .DISCUSSION...(This evening through Sunday) Issued at 250 PM CDT Sun Oct 15 2023 Key Messages: - Periods of clouds continue with seasonably cool temperatures - Breezy and warmer Wednesday with rain chances returning Wednesday into the end of the week. Still rain timing challenges with the storm system, but amounts remain light, now only a 30-50% chance for more than 0.05" - Temperatures with highs in the 50s Thursday-Sunday Through Monday: Latest water satellite imagery indicates closed upper level low over the northeast United States. Latest visible satellite imagery shows low level stratus clouds rotating around the closed upper level low and into the Great Lakes region. The area will remain under northerly flow aloft on the backside of the closed upper level low tonight into Monday. Latest 15.12z GFS/NAM indicate 925 to 850mb moisture...in association with low stratus deck of clouds...to advect into the forecast area this evening/tonight. Expect mostly cloudy skies tonight across much of the forecast area. Due to subsidence and daytime heating...low level stratus deck of clouds will slowly erode during the day Monday. With northerly flow aloft over the Great Lakes region...cooler air will filter into the region. The 15.12z GFS/NAM suggest 925mb temperatures plus 2 to plus 5 degrees Celsius by 18z Monday across the forecast area. With the possibility of cloud cover and cooler temperatures over the region...temperatures will be below normal. High temperatures are expected to be mainly in the 50s. Monday night through Sunday: The HRRR/RAP forecast soundings continue to show enough low level moisture for clouds and possibly patchy drizzle Monday night. We`ll have to see how the cloud forecast evolves as this would impact low temperatures Tuesday morning and how cold temperatures will get/potential for frost. Tuesday through Thursday night, a shortwave trough over Alberta/Montana pushes southeast into the Dakotas and the Upper Mississippi Valley and Great Lakes region. There continue to be locations/timing differences related to rainfall between the deterministic models for Wednesday. Moisture transport increases along with enhanced lift with the left exit region of the upper level jet. Precipitable water values increase to around 150% of normal ahead of the cold front; around 0.80 or .90". The NAEFS standard anomalies are around 1.5. The rain looks light though as the frontogenesis weakens as it moves through. Scattered showers continue until the low exits the area Friday night. Rain amounts still look light with only 25 to 50% probabilities of 0.05" or more. Brisk south winds are forecast for Wednesday with temperatures warming into the 60s. Temperatures for the rest of the extended hold in the 50s for highs. && .AVIATION...(For the 06Z TAFS through 06Z Monday night) Issued at 1040 PM CDT Sun Oct 15 2023 MVFR cigs are expected to begin at both TAF sites with some incoming low-level stratus during the pre-dawn hours and persist into the afternoon. However, uncertainty remains for how long MVFR cigs will persist at KLSE when considering the 16.00z HRRR soundings and with the 16.00z HREF cig probs showing medium confidence (30-60% chance) for category reductions to persist at KLSE later into the evening, opted to leave out of current TAF issuance due to lower predictability. Winds will be predominantly from the N/NW between 5-10 kts and lessening towards the end of the TAF period. && .ARX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... WI...NONE. MN...NONE. IA...NONE. && $$ DISCUSSION...DTJ/Zapotocny AVIATION...Naylor
Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Grand Forks ND
1035 PM CDT Sun Oct 15 2023 .UPDATE... Issued at 1032 PM CDT Sun Oct 15 2023 02z HRRR and 02z NBM data still show some fog forming late tonight in a narrow zone from eastern Manitoba thru Roseau/Hallock to near Bemidji/Bagley then toward Wadena. This area in the patchy fog forecast and will leave as is. Some hints too in the short term models of patchy fog Devils Lake or Langdon area. See no reason to alter any of the sky or patchy fog area tonight. Temps look reasonable. UPDATE Issued at 705 PM CDT Sun Oct 15 2023 Skies clear across the area at 00z. Some thin cirrus in central ND moving east and some cirrus moving west thru Duluth and NW Wisconsin. So clear sky tonight with some increase in cirrus but more areas of cirrus vs widespread. HRRR and other short term ceiling/vsby models backing off a bit in fog chances, but do highlight a narrow zone where patchy dense fog may occur 10z-13z from Roseau to Bagley. Will keep the larger area of patchy fog that is in there as with light winds overnight some ground fog could form just about anywhere. && .SHORT TERM...(This evening through Monday night) Issued at 208 PM CDT Sun Oct 15 2023 Key Messages: -Quiet and dry conditions throughout today, with temps in the 50s to lower 60s. -Patchy dense fog during the morning hours on Monday, within the Red River Valley towards the east. -Continued warm and dry conditions Monday afternoon and into Tuesday. Discussion: Clouds linger across parts of lakes country this afternoon, with a majority of the region seeing mostly sunny skies. Thanks to the sun temperatures are easily climbing into the upper 50s to lower 60s this afternoon. Quiet and dry conditions continue overnight, with temperatures dropping down into the low to mid 30s for lows. Dew points remain in the low to mid 30s for the Red River Valley towards the east, with light and variable winds. Mostly clear skies overnight, combined with dew point depressions near zero, and light and variable winds means patchy dense fog potential 10z through 16z. Fog could become more widespread depending on cloud coverage from the east. Short range guidance wants to bring clouds into lakes country overnight which could limit fog potential from becoming widespread. None the less, patchy dense fog will be possible Monday morning, within the Red River Valley points eastward. Visibility reductions down to a quarter of a mile will be possible on an isolated basis. As the sun rises Monday and temperatures warm, chances for fog begin to diminish. This occurs late morning and into the early afternoon. Another dry and quiet day is expected on Monday, with highs in the upper 50s to lower 60s once again. This is all thanks to an upper level ridge shifting through the region and warm air advection moving into the northern plains. Clouds begin to move in for Monday night, which will help limit fog potentials for Tuesday morning by keeping overnight lows warmer. .LONG TERM...(Tuesday through Sunday) Issued at 208 PM CDT Sun Oct 15 2023 Key Messages: -Ridge breaks down mid week, with an upper level trough digging into the northern plains. -Light precipitation chances Tuesday evening through Thursday morning, with up to quarter of an inch possible (30-50%). Windy conditions behind the upper level trough Wednesday afternoon and evening. -Ridge builds back in end of the week, with above normal temperatures. Discussion: Ridge continues to shift east across the area Tuesday, with an upper level trough translating through the region. Main forcing across the region will be synoptic, with little frontogentic forcing. The systems residence time is high, and lacks moisture content from the Gulf of Mexico as a ridge remains in the southern United States. This keeps precipitation amounts lower over a 24 hour period. Precipitation chances increase Tuesday evening and last through the early morning hours on Thursday. QPF probabilities of up to 0.25 inches is 30-50% across the region. Cold air advection wraps around the system Wednesday afternoon/evening, with lapse rates approaching 8 C/km. This combined with a NW wind direction will help increase wind potential Wednesday afternoon and evening. The strong pressure gradients remain further towards western ND and eastern MT, but up to 30kt gusts are possible within the valley points westward. A building ridge out in the Pacific NW helps increase 1000-500mb thickness levels end of the work week and into the new weekend. NW flow aloft is pushed into southern Canada, with above normal temps expected. Highs reach the mid 50s to lower 60s end of the work week and into the new weekend. && .AVIATION...(For the 00Z TAFS through 00Z Monday evening) Issued at 705 PM CDT Sun Oct 15 2023 Question will be ground fog potential 10z-13z across RRV into MN. Notoriously these are difficult to forecast and impacts vary greatly. But some risk of fog, higher BJI. But otherwise kept out per latest aviation short term vsby grids which keep chance only in a part of NW MN. Light winds overnight turning south 5 to 8 kts Monday. && .FGF WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... ND...None. MN...None. && $$ UPDATE...Riddle SHORT TERM...Spender LONG TERM...Spender AVIATION...Riddle
Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Chicago/Romeoville, IL
641 PM CDT Sun Oct 15 2023 .SHORT TERM... Issued at 202 PM CDT Sun Oct 15 2023 Through Monday night... Forecast concerns include lake effect rain showers through the period and patchy frost across northwest IL late Monday night. The first round of lake effect rain showers are moving southeast and may completely end for a few hours later this afternoon into early this evening. An upper trough will move south across the region tonight bringing a chance of showers for mainly northwest IN tonight, but then allowing for another lake effect setup that will persist through Monday and possibly Monday evening. There is some uncertainty with how far inland into IL the lake effect will extend. General consensus is roughly an O`Hare Airport to Kankakee line will be the western extent and this matches up well with the current forecast. Will still have a narrow axis west of this line for low chance pops, but east of that line, including Chicago and northwest IN, have pops increasing to likely tonight into Monday morning, then the lake effect looks to shift back east into northwest Indiana, similar to today`s trends. Conditions may become unfavorable rather quickly Monday evening, ending the lake effect rain showers but both the HRRR and RAP now continue showers into Monday evening and added low chance pop for this potential. Where some sunshine persisted today, temps were able to warm into the upper 50s. Expect the same for Monday, if enough sunshine develops in the afternoon, expect highs in the upper 50s, perhaps a few locations tagging 60. A ridge of high pressure will move into the area Monday night with light winds and clearing skies across IL. Low temps by Tuesday morning will likely fall into the mid/upper 30s away from Chicago, allowing for at least some patchy frost across northwest IL. cms && .LONG TERM... Issued at 245 PM CDT Sun Oct 15 2023 Tuesday through Sunday... Key Forecast Messages: * Seasonably mild Tuesday and Wednesday with an uncertain chance of afternoon and evening showers on Wednesday * Higher confidence in showers on Thursday then turning cooler to close out the work week and into next weekend with some shower chances continuing, especially near the lake in Indiana Following a chilly and locally frosty start to Tuesday, southwest winds, modest warm air advection, and plenty of sun will boost afternoon temperatures back to near seasonable (lower 60s). Persistent light to moderate southerly winds on Tuesday night will result in overnight lows a few to several degrees milder than Monday night, albeit still seasonably chilly in the low-mid 40s (upper 40s downtown Chicago). If winds diminish a bit more than forecast, the dry air mass in place may enable favored northern Illinois cool spots to dip into the upper 30s. The main feature of interest for the Wednesday-Friday period is a compact and strong closed mid-upper low forecast to dive southeast from the Northern Plains to the western Great Lakes by early Thursday and then slowly weaken and rotate northeast through Friday. Surface low pressure associated with this short-wave will track to our north, dragging its trailing cold front across the area late Wednesday night into Thursday. Strengthening southwesterly warm advection in response to the aforementioned short-wave will translate to breezy south-southwest surface winds combining to boost high temperatures well into the mid to upper 60s. This will be despite skies becoming partly sunny/mostly cloudy. For Wednesday afternoon and evening, the ECMWF suite of guidance has been consistently depicting a QPF response as the system warm front lifts north, while the other guidance has just as consistently shown a dry depiction for the daytime hours. Large scale ascent will be in the upswing from the onset of mid-level height falls along with increased mid-level moisture and clouds. However, the thinking is the main limiting factor will be the deep layer of dry air below 10kft from the antecedent dry air mass over the area. On the above note, even the ECMWF forecast soundings are suspiciously dry for its QPF depiction. While the ECMWF and EPS can`t be ignored, given the dry low-mid levels on the ECMWF soundings, the dry look on the other guidance, slight chance PoPs Wednesday afternoon across parts of northern Illinois appear reasonable. It may end up being a scenario with spotty high- based sprinkles later in the day. Then in the evening, another possible scenario to watch for will be the better deep moisture focusing east of I-57 and keeping better shower chances over the eastern CWA and/or points east. Given the overall uncertainty and likelihood of spotty shower coverage Wednesday night, low chance PoPs in the official forecast suffice for now. Suspect the brunt of the shower chances will be tied closer to the cold frontal forcing arriving on Thursday morning. Post- frontal scattered showers also look to be a decent bet in the afternoon as the mid- upper low shifts overhead, supporting high chance PoPs. Temperatures will cool down a bit as the front moves across the area on Thursday (upper 50s-low 60s) and then more-so on Friday (mid-upper 50s) as the upper trough slowly progresses east. The cold advection cyclonic flow aloft regime with steepened low-level lapse rates may still support spotty showers inland on Friday, but the brunt of the activity may transition to lake effect showers through Friday night with breezy north-northwest winds. Uncertainty increases in the large scale pattern over the weekend into early next week, as the eastern trough should get kicked east, but how quickly it does so is a question mark. Some recent operational runs have had a clipper-like feature on Saturday that could bring a quick bout of light rain and then reinforcing cold air advection, lake effect into northwest Indiana, and cool conditions through Sunday. On the other hand, some guidance, such as the 12z ECMWF, kicks the trough out faster and moderates us more quickly to close out next weekend. Castro && .AVIATION... For the 00Z TAFs... The main aviation weather concerns are: * Brief NE wind shift at ORD, MDW, and GYY this evening. * Potential for lake effect rain showers to spread back west into KGYY, KMDW, and possibly KORD tonight into Monday morning. * MVFR cigs spreading back across all of the terminals tonight and Monday. A surface boundary is currently traversing the ORD airfield and will result in a brief period of northeasterly winds (020 to 050 directions). Wind speeds generally will remain below 10 knots and are expected to come back around to a northwesterly direction after about 01z. Cloud cover will continue to increase across the region this evening, and cigs will eventually build down to MVFR tonight, first at the Chicago-area terminals, and then at RFD towards daybreak. While there is some potential for cigs to build under 020/low-MVFR Monday morning, confidence was not high enough to include a mention at this time. Lake effect showers are expected to re-develop with time tonight, and will back westward across the lake, impacting GYY, and possibly MDW and ORD, although confidence in showers making it as far west at ORD is lowering. Have maintained a PROB30 for MVFR SHRA at MDW tonight/Monday morning, and will make adjustments to this as lake effect develops this evening. Intermittent -shra will likely impact GYY through the day on Monday. Carlaw && .LOT WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... IL...None. IN...None. LM...Small Craft Advisory...IL nearshore waters until 10 PM Monday. Small Craft Advisory...IN nearshore waters until 4 AM Tuesday. && $$ Visit us at weather.gov/chicago Follow us on Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube at: www.facebook.com/NWSChicago www.twitter.com/NWSChicago www.youtube.com/NWSChicago
Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Marquette MI
645 PM EDT Sun Oct 15 2023 .SHORT TERM...(Through Tonight) Issued at 304 PM EDT SUN OCT 15 2023 Key Messages: -Lake aided low cloudiness persists. Water vapor imagery and RAP analysis show mid-level ridging extending from the southern Rockies ne to Hudson Bay and n central Canada with a strong 500mb positive height anomaly at ~+400m centered over western Hudson Bay. Deep, elongated troffing exists downstream from the Canadian Maritimes across the ne U.S. and back toward the southern Plains. Result is continued n to ne flow into the Upper Great Lakes today. Weak shortwave that passed earlier today combined with a sfc trof/wind shift dropping across Lake Superior into Upper MI triggered a few -shra/patchy -dz into n central Upper MI mid morning to early aftn. Last of that pcpn is currently in Baraga County and is in the process of ending. Otherwise, abundant low-level cloudiness is the rule. However, with moisture/clouds confined to a shallow low layer, downsloping off of the Canadian shield is breaking up low clouds over ne and e Lake Superior into far eastern Upper MI. Little change in the low-levels is expected thru tonight. Models show a low inversion at 3-4kft with NAM on the lower end of that range and even lowering it a little more during the night. With temps at the base of inversion 0 to -1C, overlake instability is not quite there for lake effect pcpn with Lake Superior water sfc T averaging 11C. Given such a low inversion, marginal at best overwater instability and no passing sfc trof or shortwave of note, doubt that any lake effect -shra or drizzly pcpn will develop tonight despite most of the CAMS showing such development. If anything did develop, maybe the far w would see it with potential streamline back to Lake Nipigon. However, even there, low inversion/marginal instability at best suggest development is highly unlikely. Fcst tonight will only keep a barely mentionable schc in that area. With low clouds likely to dominate along with winds stirring, expect low temps in the upper 30s to mid 40s F. .LONG TERM...(Monday through Sunday) Issued at 321 PM EDT SUN OCT 15 2023 Key Messages: -Significant weather is not expected this week, although widespread light rain is expected later in the week. -Near normal temperatures trend above normal by mid-week. -Temperatures fall below normal for weekend. Guidance packages continue to suggest a drier start to the coming work week with a wetter finish going into the weekend. The main item of interest continues to be the coming clipper/closed low later this week. Specific to it, model agreement on the overall structure and evolution is mixed, but the same general impacts of light rain are still expected. Starting off on Monday, there`s consensus that the pattern across CONUS and Canada will involve a broad trough across their eastern third while the western two thirds sits under ridging. The ridging actually extends well into Hudson Bay on Monday. As we progress through Monday and Tuesday, this ridge and attendant surface high will press southeast through the Great Lakes. This benevolent feature will support a couple of dry fall days. There`s questions about how much sunshine we`ll see but overall, expecting highs to climb in the low-mid 50s. Overnight lows Monday night may dip into the 20s away from the lakeshores if we are able to clear out, but lakeshore communities should expect to stay in the 30s or low 40s. There`s a low chance (25% or less) early Monday that a lingering saturated near-surface environment may support some isolated pockets of rain near Lake Superior in the west and north-central where upslope flow may enhance lift. Much like tonight though, over lake instability isn`t very strong and there may not be enough to support lake effect. Surface ridge axis shifts through the forecast area early Tuesday followed by southerly flow developing across the area. This warm air advection regime should support increasing cloud cover overnight and a return to overnight lows in the mid-upper 30s inland and low-mid 40s lake-side. Upstream, the noted clipper is expected to dip into CONUS by Wednesday morning then progress through our region as the cutoff mid-level low drops further southeast or broadens out and gets caught up in a trailing cold front. Regardless, the trailing cold front looks to push through the region Thursday night and Friday, allowing a cooler airmass to advect into the region. This evolution should support a warmer Wednesday with temps in the upper 50s, maybe near 60 in downslope regions near Lake Superior. Rain chances increase on Wednesday. Despite the differences in evolution of the system, there appears to be good agreement on the cooler air building in behind the cold front. Between yesterday and today, guidance has trended a few degrees colder at 850mb to -2 to -5C by Friday afternoon, so I`d expect any precip should transition to lake- enhanced and then lake-effect rain showers through the day. Some guidance appears open minded about the clipper deepening along the cold front and passing near the Straits of Mackinac. If this ends up being realized, some breezy winds may accompany the system Thursday night into Friday. Beyond the clipper and this weekend, there`s mixed solutions on whether we`ll continue lake effect rain through the weekend or if another clipper will dive through the Upper Great Lakes. While confidence in this is lacking, there`s better agreement that the cooler airmass behind the front will support a return to cooler than normal temperatures for the weekend. && .AVIATION...(For the 00Z TAFS through 00Z Monday evening) Issued at 644 PM EDT SUN OCT 15 2023 A cool northerly flow across Lake Superior will continue to support lake effect cloudiness, aided by upsloping. With a low inversion, MVFR cigs are likely to prevail at IWD/CMX/SAW thru this fcst period. Winds will be strongest at SAW early this evening, gusting over 20kt. && .MARINE...(For the 4 PM Lake Superior forecast issuance) Issued at 321 PM EDT SUN OCT 15 2023 20-30kts winds are expected this afternoon and evening (strongest east half) thanks to continued stronger pressure gradient forces. Ridging begins to build into the region tonight though, supporting a gradual decrease in winds across Lake Superior. By morning, winds are expected to have fallen to 20kts or less lake-wide. Expecting these light winds to persist through at least Tuesday night. Wednesday, a clipper system is expected to approach from the west. There`s still some questions about timing, but pressure falls through the day should support increasing winds out of the south or southeast to 20-25kts. Winds should continue increasing to around 30kts by evening. As the system moves through, there may be a few hours of lighter winds during the day Thursday. A cold front will follow the system beginning Thursday night and its possible the low may deepen some near the Straits of Mackinac, supporting an increase in winds. This will be something to watch since models don`t quiet have a good handle on this yet. After the front, winds of 25-30kts should be expected as colder air builds in across Lake Superior out of the north or northwest. These stronger winds may persist into the weekend, but there`s some questions about when and where another system may track && .MQT WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... Upper Michigan... None. Lake Superior... None. Lake Michigan... None. && $$ SHORT TERM...Rolfson LONG TERM...JTP AVIATION...Voss MARINE...JTP